sig p320 accidental discharge 2021

I know there are those who will vehemently disagree with me, and even disparage me but I have been following this issue from early on, BUT I recall CLEARLY that there have been dozens and dozens of discharges that could not be attributed to operator error and people experiencing these uncommanded discharges both before AND after getting the trigger upgrade. They function as commanded every time. The sheriff's office said its investigation found no mechanical problems with its deputy's gun. In 2021 you would think a company would understand MIM metallurgy. I agree. So your fanboy perjorative falls not only flat but false. Ill go so far as to say the first batch of Sig P320s did nothing wrong. Thread starter ut755ln; Start date Oct 19, 2022; Forums. -You plan on getting rid of your P320, great! These cops seem pretty dang stupid if they put loaded guns in gym bags and purses with other stuff and carry them around, especially a gun that lacks manual safeties. ALL OF THEM. The P320 should be scrapped and SIG Sauer USA should redesign a new pistol around the striker firing mechanism instead of just retrofitting a hammer fired pistol (P250). It takes time for any new platform to work the kinks out. If the military was going to go cheap then they should have thrown Taurus into the mix. Hes like the arrogant star QB on your favorite football teamyeah, you would never want to spend a weekend with him at the lake cabin, but your franchise would be little to nothing without him. Who function tests their firearm 1) with a round in the chamber, and 2) when its pointed at an extremity? He takes your wallet and car and leaves the SIG. If they recruit smart cops, they wont have cops who will act against their political opponents outside of the constitution. They mandate more discharges, with more property damage, more injuries, and more deaths. This website has been messed up all week so that might be the problem in replying. I can say one thing for sure, the X on the side of the my is about is welcoming to me as grip zone was. I went to an outdoor public range with a local SWAT entry team leader. Bagnell told TTAG that he believes the problem with the striker-fired P320 is an inadequate sear/striker connection (he has images he says illustrate this on his website). One hell of a conspiracy. Got a 40 SW P320 SC on my hip now, got one in 9mm within reach, so far neither has decided to trip the sear without my help. You need to deliberately thumb the Pythons hammer back to get that trigger pull, each and every time. They didnt have to, but did. But Shatner? JTF-2 is the only unit in. ABC ran their story on the P320 twice, but with some significant differences between the two reports. I guess none got her the attention she wanted and a national coverage so she went in for the bang. They cant even make claim to doing a twice a year qual. Clients such as law enforcement officers whose negligent discharges could result in their being disciplined or fired unless it can be proven that the gun was at fault. While it seems that I have a preference for battle ships, The Romulans had Warbirds. The Hide Armory. A few Warbirds decloaking would make me very nervous if it wasnt sci-fi fantasy. But now, P320 is the subject. Wont last!. Charlton posted to the online commercial forum Canadian Gun Nutz, describing the CBC News piece as inaccurate and promising SIG Sauer would release a statement. Effectively: you must be this dumb to get this job. Sig Sauer's headquarters are located in New Hampshire at Pease International Tradeport. The second accidental shooting happened after police supervisors internally raised questions about the safety of the SIG Sauer P320. You did get to sit and watch it with him, which leads to a serious question. And as far as Special Forces go, SF going to Glock has been documented as a bean counters solution to save money. Glock's and Sig P320 are all designated as Double-Action-Only fire control mechanisms. And it doesnt take too much Googling to find plenty of reports of LEOs suing the Georgia company as well (see here, here, here, and here for just a few). The Government mandated it to be made more safe to use and was. Everyone remembers the problems the Beretta M9 had, but it got sorted and they went on to serve over 30 years. That is the point of most of the video at the end of the article. Google Keith Slatowski, is he lying also? The more someone touches, loads, clears, cleans, holsters, un-holsters, or otherwise deals with their firearm, the higher the statistical likelihood that complacence kicks in. This is the goal of those who would disarm us at the Post Office, as we take little Yevgeniy or little Shaquina to school, as we fulfill our civic responsibilities as jurors to judge our peers, as we travel to and through less free jurisdictions. Ive seen similar situations at our Municipal range. Anyway around here they do. It was at that point that I knew the gun had a design flaw. And those are exactly the kinds of plaintiffs who happen to make up the vast majority of the lawsuits filed against SIG. No picture for me. Good job! All chasing that pot of gold at the end of litigation.. Not that big of a stretch when considering the lawyers beating the bushs for clients to add to the lawsuits, and the fact many of them will lose their jobs if its proven to NOT be the gun, but instead negligence on their part. The P320 pistol is a dog. At least the Lion roars when he is hungry, the C.E.O smiles at you and when you turn your back he puts a knife right into it. The main difference is that the M&P never had the problem the p320 did with trigger mass. Guess it hasnt dawned on them that: 1. Oh, if you another thread reader asking Wheres the Sig/Glock bashing? Let us look at the history of other consumer products. Slowly people are realizing they arent the only ones having issues. With Biden spending outrageous amounts of money, whats 100 million here or there? Its just that with hundreds of millions of firearms in the hands of more than one-third of the countrys population including a lot of cops some number of negligent discharges will inevitably happen. The current allegations, then, are different, claiming that the P320 is prone to un-commanded discharges.. The Glocks trigger had caught on a fold in the leather holster and it pushed the trigger part way back. Charlton, headquartered in Victoria, B.C., for comment on its original story, but neither responded. At rest, cocked, it may very well have enough oomph to set some primers off. , 54 people all shooting themselves. Dont quote the four rules of safety in your article when all the hotness in the gun world is appendix carry pointing something at an extremity and the photos you use showing front slide serrationsputting your hands fingers near the business end of the barrel, because press checks from the front is the way all the cool operator guys do it. Such being the case, there very well may BE in inherent design flaw in the gun; We shouldnt just cast the thought aside as being beyond consideration and insist on blaming the problem on operator error.. I carry one in my front pocket routinely. The guys at the LGS saw only one broken striker but it confirmed what the manager who had the P320 go off and my thoughts. . The claim basically boils down to the notion that in normal, unconcerning operation, a foreign body entered the striker body. The company didnt want to comment on any specific pending litigation for obvious reasons. https://apis.mail.yahoo.com/ws/v3/mailboxes/@.id==VjN-iN4Wr8P_P2lGU6m2M5Rd8F6tVxyeeWdzleA_0eUoKjB0wER5wbVU_ouLj3uKCvLmUWhjIv2uHVC2R0Wv8Q9VgQ/messages/@.id==AMxkWSMoHX4bYSzMKA0AINojDH4/content/parts/@.id==2/refresh?appid=YMailNorrinLaunch&ymreqid=ae6c4f7d-acdd-ffa3-1c80-d70000011c00. If these same folks were around in the 80s and got their way, no one today would know what a Glock was. Dude, your story is THREE years old. He wanted to see how accurate the gun was, especially after the customer got it back after the voluntary upgrade. And people have a way of looking for ways to deflect blame for those discharges, especially when they stand to lose their job as a result. Zero in the affirmative. Sometimes you dont get what you pay for but now SIG has bragging rights. Hammer guns have a half cock notch for a reason. Thats the same. It provides another example of how the gun free zone purportedly keeps people safe by not only keeping guns away, but by requiring more discharges nearby. If you did the same with a Glock or an M&P without the thumb safeties, youd get the same result. abprototype.com can add the manual safety as well as add the notches in the grip frame. Heres the version of the report that ran later that night, during ABCs Nightline program . I call b-s on all these my gun magically went off. That said, I own multiple P320s, but all of them have the manual safety due to personal preference. Im more of a DS9 guy. Use a proper holster and follow other gun safety protocols. Because its flat out bull**it. I am also very much a DS9 fan, best series overall. These lawsuits ARE about SIG making defective weapons. (The defect couldnt be duplicated after the crash.). Additional questions about the Voluntary Upgrade Program are answered in the FAQ. Why you and I are arguing over a gun that neither owns or will own, Legal Penalties. Seems kind of like a Sig apologist article. I have been purchasing and using Sig firearms exclusively for over 40 years. A holstered base P320 allegedly had a mysterious accidental discharge without pulling the trigger. You clanging a bell that went silent years ago. If it were the guns, there would be thousands of cases involving citizensbut there arent. Bineau added the review is looking at so-called ancillary equipment (meaning the holster and other items) as one element of that broader investigation. Profits over reliability and you end up with junk. Glocks biggest problem is they havent innovated since 1985. I bought a P320 and went through the voluntary upgrade. Fact is most SF carry what they want and the Marine Recon I know very well who has friends in that community told me many in the Navy NSW program still carry the Mk 25, they don want a striker fired pistol that can hydrolock in water. The problems associate with those pistols (and the P365) have long since been ironed out. The problem is non-existent. Yes, but that did not mean the machine would be able to go on being marketed like that. As a result, the P320s were withdrawn from service, leaving the JTF-2 with their older P226s. I would trust a hungry lion on the Serengeti plains of Africa more than I would a C.E.O. There are several stories about her in the news for various no reasons, she must be throwing them out by a dozen. And the idea some random comment section P320 hater thinks theyre smarter & more knowledgeable than the Army, Navy, Airforce, Coast Guard and Marine Corp combined regarding military pistol selection is just freaking laughable! Or you would have to have enough slide play for the slide movement to physically disengage the sear and striker leg mating surfaces. The best take on this subject is by the author himself: this is about slime lawyers looking to build a national narrative and get a few wins in, so they can more easily get the next win and the next one, the next one and so on. The clearest memory I have about the many people experiencing post-upgrade discharges is a cop who set his P320 on a table, and several seconds after letting go, IT DISCHARGED ON ITS OWN! It was one of the first ones and was sent back as a voluntary upgrade. A shame but then no one was hurt. I still own them all. The list is long proving gun manufactures were well aware of this problem now for 121 years yet they abandoned this when the Glock infested the gun market. who sells them? Someone is going to read this thread and be bewildered. Police officers (maybe) do an annual qualification and thats it. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Yes, conspiracy to defraud is a thing when ones @ss is on the line. PDs are dropping them from contracts. Have you ever noticed that big trouble usually comes in groups of 3. Mine is very accurate. This is the only post fix tale of p320 failure I have heard that is not some form of but it just went off, I didnt do nutthin! Later when he was driving he shifted his weight and this caused the trigger to be pushed back further and it went off and shot him and the bullet then also blew a big hole in the floor board of this truck. Big public relations disaster and Sig tries a second time to get the piece of shit to work and not go off when dropped. Note the addition of ominous background music in the second seven-minutes-longer version (there was no music in the Good Morning America version). Circumstances that explained those un-commanded discharges.. D. Even if it was an issue with the sear interface, there is still a firing pin safety that will not move unless the trigger is held firmly to the rear. So far I have only heard of one instance (post fix) where there was an ND and the post mortem on the gun demonstrating a mechanical failure. I am still waiting for the UPS man (not from the devil but from Sig) I will not hold my breath. Carrying a handgun in a purse, particularly one that isnt designed specifically to carry a firearm, is problematic at best. The hype leading up to the P365 was pretty intense and the LGS sold a bunch of those. He wanted TTAG to convey that hes pro-Second Amendment. I have never had to have one serviced or replaced. Weird how that might happen. Its also interesting that theres apparently no corresponding flood of civilian lawsuits against SIG with similar claims of guns going off, even though the public owns far more P320s than do law enforcement agencies. TidalWave Professional Aug 25, 2021 #17 Bassbob said: Somehow I seriously doubt the guns just shot themselves. Great job, this threat needed some levity! None of the current lawsuits appear to be in any way related to the now-fixed drop safety issue and most, if not all of the allegations seem to involve upgraded pistols or those produced after the drop safety problem was identified by SIG. A plastic gun that has a tendency to go off by itself. saw the video, doesnt explain how it bypasses striker pin safety. So it never had a history of a potential valid claim for ambulance chasers to work off of. NEWINGTON - A Hillsboro man is suing Newington gunmaker Sig Sauer alleging his Sig P320 pistol fired, without him pulling the trigger, causing a bullet to be discharged into his thigh. SIG ultimately settled that lawsuit. Too Many Accidents How about something more relevant. Not much detail is provided in any of those other claimed incidents, but a few stand out. How many times did Shatner actually watch it? (It wasnt my gun). Anyway my question for $600 would be: Did you have your 3rd wife killed? The HK VP70 was made in 1970 when Gaston Glock was making curtain rods. Without a loser pays tort system, such abuse will go on and on. Picard if Im limited to NCC-1701. On Thursday, M.D. . You have entered an incorrect email address! 1) The p320 doesnt hold the striker fully to the rear. In June, Cambridge police Lt. Thomas Ahern filed suit, accusing Sig Sauer of selling a dangerously defective product after his P320 fired on its own while he was in the department's SWAT team van with six other officers. Hes talking about trial lawyers recruiting clients whove experienced negligent discharges with P320s and suing the gun manufacturer. First off, no joke on me. Upgrades are for things that didnt work right in the first place. Right up front, the use of an ill-fitting/improper-for-the-gun holster instantly negates any idea of an unintended discharge being the fault of the design. It somehow moved to the hinges of the desk. Not sure why it wont let me reply to you, but Ill reply to myself in the hope youll get it. Glock is being sued too, because once loaded and a round is chambered, it also has a much lighter trigger than a DA/SA. Second, every gun maker has made lemons in the past. You arent a gunfighter, either. (b) An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor. . Grow up, you aint all that! I dont own a P320. Liberal, Conservative. Canadian soldier wounded by accidental discharge used wrong holster: SIG Sauer A fellow kept his DA revolver in the desk. He was told to shoot two rounds. Post again when you buy a real gun that you can defend yourself with. He said hes a gun owner and a concealed carry permit holder. DND/CAF is not in a position at this stage in its investigation to offer insight into the potential causes because our investigation scope is broader than the technical aspect pertaining to the unintended discharge of the pistol.. Canadian soldier. selling the 365 with strikers breaking? ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Likewise, having a finger in the trigger-guard, or a clothing draw-string, or a retention strap, or some other object, when holstering the gun exonerates the maker, as the gun is firing with a trigger press of sufficient energy and stroke as designed. There are a few examples, I admitS&Ws M&P from around 2014 were near junk and I wouldnt have bothered to own one as a trotline weight, but apparently S&W had righted that ship since then. To be sure, Ive informally asked every other owner of a Serpa holster when I meet them, whether they have ever had an ND because of the holster. It has been flawless so far. Im reading about a moron who wraps a loaded firearm in a cloth and stuff it in a gym bag, and other dumb behavior that tells me the weapon isnt the problem but the user. Nope. The Glock fails on both counts. Rather, it's because those LEO P320 pistols are seeing much more physical action than ones carried by civilians. Then theres the fact that the branches of the military have put the P320 design through their own batteries of testing and found it duty worthy. Too much MIM in that crap SIG, the old ones were great. The truth is the absolute WORST semi-autos that Sig, H&K, Walther, Beretta or Glock makes today are more reliable than the best semi-autos made 40 years ago, by far. . TAMPA, Fla., July 27, 2021 /PRNewswire/ -- A 30-year veteran law enforcement officer with the Tampa Police Department (TPD) today filed a lawsuit against Sig Sauer, Inc., the maker of his. As for the Serpa holster, this is a bunch of internet echo chamber BS that originated with Obama-era federal agencies putting a bad light on a good product in order to sway public opinion and thus damage the manufacturers bottom line. A fine of up to $10,000. And they think hey have an actual legit lawsuit on their hands? And on the flip side of the coin is the decades of denial by Remington on the 700 which Ive seen firsthand. The weapon had a history of going off unexpectedly when it was dropped at a certain angle. So does any of this mean theres something wrong with the P320? Thats fine. Bagnell is representing a number of the police officers who have filed suits against SIG for un-commanded discharges, but wouldnt disclose the exact number. My trust for Sig stopped after they produced the beloved Sig556xi Russian. When Villani was asked for his opinion of SIG Sauer, he said, I carry SIGs, I own SIGs, I just dont own a 320nor would I ever. When Scott asked Villani what he found when he took a P320 apart, he said, I thought Wow, they need to do their homework, they need to fix this gun.. U.S. lawsuits Theres a couple of possibilities. Bagnell also represented Virginia Sheriffs Deputy Marcie Vadnais who sued SIG when she said her P320 went off on its own when she was removing the weapon from her belt. Vadnais was featured in the Nightline version of ABCs report. As they should. The military is already shopping for a new sidearm. Cars have so many electronics these days, who knows what could have gone wrong! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-ZZ6pynGLM In 1982 the G17 hit the market and in 1983 they gave 30,000 pistols to the Austrian military at cost. Hilton's $15 million lawsuit said, "there have been 54 reported uncommanded discharges of the P320," meaning the gun went off by itself, over the last five years in 22 states and Washington, D.C.

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